What if the freedoms you cherish are the very chains that bind you? Join us on More Faith, More Life as we tackle the paradox of losing liberties in the name of freedom. In this gripping episode, we unravel how the mirage of lawlessness seduces society, only to lead it into the abyss of destruction and bondage. From the Roaring Twenties to the horrors of Nazi Germany, we draw historical parallels to underline the real cost of misguided freedoms. We also examine contemporary issues in America, spotlighting how true liberty demands responsibility and the unwavering protection of everyone’s rights.
Key Takeaways:
- The Illusion of Freedom: Steve explains how the pursuit of unrestricted freedom often leads to lawlessness, which paradoxically results in the loss of freedom.
- Historical Parallels: He draws comparisons between the moral and financial excesses of the 1920s leading to the Great Depression and today’s societal trends.
- Contemporary Issues: The podcast addresses current events such as increased crime rates, the debate over freedom of speech, and the impact of cancel culture.
- Freedom and Faith: Emphasizing the role of faith and integrity, Steve calls for a revival that respects both individual freedoms and societal laws.
- Balancing Freedoms: He discusses the need for a balanced approach to freedom that doesn’t infringe on the rights of others, using the abortion debate as a case study.
Where To Dive In:
00:00 Emancipation of America: Reclaiming Freedoms Taken in the Name of Freedom
02:52 The Impact of the Great Depression and World War II on Freedoms
05:43 Balancing Freedom of Speech and Social Sensitivities
09:26 The Balance Between Freedom and Control in Modern Society
15:28 The Impact of Blame and Freedom on Personal Responsibility
18:48 Revival of Integrity, Faith, and Freedom in America
About the host:
Steve Gray is the founding and senior pastor of Revive Church KC. He has been in the full time ministry for over 40 years and was launched into national and international recognition in the late 1990’s as the leader of the historic Smithton Outpouring, and again in 2009 when he lead the Kansas City Revival which was televised nationally on the Daystar television network. Steve is also a veteran musician, songwriter, recording artist and published author. His books include When The Kingdom Comes, Follow The Fire, My Absurd Religion, and If You Only Knew.
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Transcript:
0:00:00 Hey, I am so ready for you to hear the next more faith, more live podcast where we talk about you are losing your freedom in the name of freedom. We need to be emancipated from that. And I’ll talk about it on the next more faith, more life podcast. Hello, everybody, and welcome to another more faith, more life podcast. Today is a very, very important time for us to talk. We’re going to talk about the emancipation of America or getting your freedoms back, which are being taken away.
0:00:27 Get this, in the name of freedom, in the name of freedom, the Bible says, for freedom, we have been set free. Well, that doesn’t mean that you become lawless. That doesn’t mean that nobody has any rights. You know, we’re free to do whatever we want and we take away the other ones. No, for freedom. That means the freedom to believe, the freedom to walk by the spirit. And you’ve been free from that. But if we become lawless, lawlessness creates destruction.
0:00:57 Lawlessness creates bondage. Lawlessness takes away our freedom. Right now we’re experiencing in our country, lawlessness on many fronts, especially the last couple of years. I saw yesterday or on the news, whatever major department store again got hit with. People just walked in and took everything out. People walk into restaurants or fast-food restaurants particularly, and they order food, walk out. They don’t pay for it. And people are like, I don’t know what to do.
0:01:24 We’ll call the police. Well, you may or may not get a result. There’s the shortage of police. They don’t have time to chase somebody that stole a hamburger. Right? So our freedoms are under threat now. And so we want to talk about the emancipation of America, which is one of the chapters, the final chapter, the book booklet, if you only knew, which is still free. If you want to download or buy it for $77, not 77, buy it for $7 and get this. But the last chapter is called Emancipation.
0:01:56 And if you want to get the study guide, you can follow and get the study guide from today, which will give you these things to have in your hand. It’s going to be free, too. You can download it for free. So I want to talk about that, the Emancipation of America and emancipation so that freedoms are not taken away in the name of freedom. How do we understand this? Okay, so let’s back up a little bit to the 1920s.
0:02:19 And the 1920s may be ancient to you. Fortunately, I didn’t live there either, but my grandparents did. It was wild. They called the roaring twenties and it was wild. Everybody drank what I studied. Everybody drank everybody smoked, everybody partied when work was done, and that went on for a while. But during that time of looser freedoms, financially, things went haywire. They went too far. And by 1929, then the stock market crashes would go into what’s called the Great Depression.
0:02:52 My grandparents also went through the Great Depression, and that influenced them, which influenced my parents, which influenced me. I often laughed when I was a kid if I asked for a piece of gum. My mother never gave me a piece of gum. She always tore it in half and gave me a half a piece of gum. There’s a whole. She’s holding the whole thing of it, you know, the whole pack, but she had to give a half. And where was that? That was her upbringing during the Great Depression, where you conserved.
0:03:22 And conserving’s not bad either. And anyway, so in the 1930s, then, there was a lot going on. There’s lack of jobs everywhere in the world, and the Great Depression, lack of food, soup lines, people looking for work, children selling apples on the streets, stuff like that. But it wasn’t just here in America. It was around the world, particularly in Europe. Then it hit a country, everybody, but it hit a country called Germany. And Germany had gone about ten years or more after World War one.
0:03:54 And they felt like, particularly someone like Hitler, Adolf Hitler and some of his team felt like that they’d been done wrong, that Germany was hitting with too much punishment for world War one, and they were demoralized. So he was a patriot as a German and wanted to establish Germany, believing Germans were the ruling race, the main race, and the white race. And so he began to instill propaganda into the people that they had been done wrong and that they’d been treated wrong. And all the problems, most of the problems went to other people, particularly the Jews.
0:04:37 And they’d used that propaganda for ten years or less. By 1938, it was pretty well instilled, but that the Jews were the problem, other people were the problem. And so if we got rid of the Jews, that’s only one of the things he did. But if we got rid of the Jews, then that would solve our problems. So that’s how he indoctrinated for many years the people, to believe that. And it was propaganda that did not bring him freedom. It promised freedom.
0:05:05 If we do this, we’ll get that freedom. So we’ll take freedom away here, and we’ll get freedom for the rest of us over here. At this other point, well, obviously by 1940, I think most Germans, and especially in the leaders, the generals, realized they’re going to lose this war, and they lost more freedoms in the city. Berlin was destroyed, unfortunately, so was London, but Berlin was destroyed and the people paid a high price. Now again, worse price and lost more freedom, including their homes and their cities and so, and their reputation.
0:05:43 Right. And so it didn’t work for freedom. We’ve been set free, but the wrong kind of freedom takes freedom away, and it doesn’t work. Well today in our country, the same thing. We have propaganda. We have people talking about freedoms, women, and abortion is a great example of that. So women want to have the freedom to have an abortion and they’re saying now that is their right. And so they’re saying, well, you’re taking my right away.
0:06:08 Women’s rights, if you pass abortion laws that, well, I should say that they can have abortions more. And so they feel like their rights have been taken away, but take that away. Well, what about the rights of an unborn child? What about the rights of a fetus? Do they have any rights? So that’s the balance in it. And so they’re trying to work it between. But if we could get that, that a fetus has rights now. Okay, let’s set the parameters of that.
0:06:33 Okay, but that’s an example of that, of what’s going on. Freedom of speech is being taken away because they want to take it away, that you can’t say certain things. You have to say things another way. Excuse me. There was a big thing on the news about someone on an airplane flight, and they didn’t apparently use the right pronouns with one of the airline workers. And the airline workers got angry and violent accusations and actually, I think, got that person thrown off the plane because they did not use the right pronouns.
0:07:07 Okay, so how do we divide that up where you have a right to be called whatever you want to be called, but you cannot force other people to call you what you want. They have a right to freedom of speech. And so today we have to, we’re losing our freedoms by trying to legislate freedom and trying to legislate language. So you know what? Somebody might not say something you like. Somebody might, you know, might say something you don’t agree with. Okay. But you can’t legislate that and make it a law and get people lose their jobs. As we talk about the cancel culture, some of the comedians are coming back now and fighting that a little bit and trying to say, well, you know, you want to be funny about everything.
0:07:47 Do they have the right to be funny? Do they have a right to tell jokes about what they want what they think is funny. And if you don’t think it’s funny, you don’t listen. Or you can get angry and get mad, but you don’t pass a law and make them lose their job, right? Politicians are under the gun and pastors and leaders are under it like pastors I know across the country, ours at least, are nervous about what they say. They’re afraid to say anything about anything so that the sermons get nominal, they get worthless because we’re not able to address the real issues of life and how people live and the decisions that people make.
0:08:24 And I’m not one that’s going to get up and talk about alternate lifestyles. If I can just, you know, narrow it down to that whatever life, if the people don’t ask my opinion, I’m not going to preach. I’m not expecting people that are not Christians to live the way I do. That takes their freedom away. But as a Christian, I should get to live the way I want to. As a Christian, I should get to raise the children.
0:08:47 My children are yours if you’re a Christian the way you want to. But they’re taking it away and having the government raise your children and force feed us on doctrines, ideas, ideologies that many of us don’t agree with. So we don’t have a balance there. And so we’re trying to pass laws and take over. And that’s what happened in pre World War II. Then the Nazi party did eventually get in. It’s amazing story how they did it, how it happened, but they did and they took over. They burned books and you couldn’t say things and you couldn’t speak things and you couldn’t share things the way you wanted to.
0:09:26 And it was all in the name of freedom that we’re going to be. We have to go this way with this party to maintain our freedom. And so people gave into it. Cause they didn’t want to lose their freedom. They didn’t want another bondage, and they certainly didn’t want another war. But when war came up, it was in the name of freedom. Let’s go. We should have the freedom to go take the land that we believe is ultimately or was originally ours.
0:09:51 And so they did, and they convinced the people we deserve that freedom to go take this land because it was actually ours in the first place. And that kicked off World War two, which took away what, everybody’s freedom, right? So also in our country too, you know, we have the Emancipation Proclamation, which was 1863, I think, but it did not take effect until 18. Was it 1865? Ish down in Texas went on June 19, where we get Juneteenth.
0:10:25 Then they really got the freedom of slaves in Texas, which helped across the whole country. It didn’t force everybody. It took a long time, because freedom comes by a change of heart, not by a change of laws. Now, we need laws, and we need to have those to help us. But it’s supposed to be the majority rules and tells us what, what direction we’re going to go. And then, you know what, the majority might not agree with me, but I should still have some freedom as a minority to talk the way I want and raise my kids the way I want, spend money the way I want.
0:11:01 Right now, the government is hoping to take over our financial institutions with digital money. And so they can tell you when you spend, when you can’t spend. If you can take your money out of the bank, they’ll say they can say no. Even today, they can say no. You can’t take. If you have $10,000 in there, maybe you don’t have ten, but let’s pretend you do, or maybe you do. Go try to take it out of the bank. Just walk in and say, I want my $10,000. You’re going to hit some obstacles.
0:11:26 Some banks, you may get it. Others will say, no, we can’t do it. We can only give you two today, and you have to come back another day, and maybe you get another two, whatever. It’s a lot of control. And in the name of freedom, in the name of, we’re going to make it better for us. And so we’re losing our freedoms. So we need a revival, a renaissance of freedom without fear that differences will take our freedom away.
0:11:50 And at the same time, we need to have a constitution. We need our Supreme Court. Some people are railing against the Supreme Court nowadays. They don’t like some of the decisions they make. But that’s our balance. The president, we got the executive, we got the government, you know, we got the presidency, and we got our supreme Court. And all of it kind of balances out to wherever between everybody doing everything we can, you know, keep ourselves safe.
0:12:16 But we have people who want to control now and take the freedom of the Supreme Court away to do what they’re supposed to do. They’re finding ways, people are finding ways to control the Supreme Court because they don’t like the decisions they’re making. So they’re taking away freedom in the name of freedom. If we limit the supreme Court and they can’t vote on things like we like because they’re not voting the way I like, then that will give me. So we’ll limit them or we’ll add more people like me on it or whatever, and that’ll give us more freedom. But that’s going to take. Now you’re taking the Supreme Court freedom away, which takes my freedom away because I want them to.
0:12:50 I want the Supreme Court. I want the Senate and the presidency and the executive branch and all that to work together, you know? And so in the name of that. So it’s very, very tricky time we live in, and people are trying to figure out a lot of confusion who’s going to be president, who should run for president, who has a right to run for president, and who should not run for president. It’s a big, big, big thing.
0:13:18 And then on top of it, we have the freedom of other nations wanting to take our freedoms away. And so we have China. We have. And believe me, it’s a hard thing because there’s a lot of Chinese people that love God as much as I love goddess, okay? But their government does not want to be that way and would like to take our freedoms away. North Korea would like to take our freedoms away. Russia, not Russians, but the government of Russia and Putin would like to take our freedoms away.
0:13:48 Iran, Iraq, the Middle East, conflicts want to take our freedoms away. And not surprising as it was in the 1930s, into the World War II, Iran, Iraq, the Middle East, the terrorist organizations, they don’t want just their freedom. They want to annihilate and take and completely annihilate Jews. They want no Jews, and that’s what Hitler did. It’s the same spirit, right? We just. We want to get rid of the Jewish people, and so we’re going to take their freedoms away, and then we’ll have more freedoms.
0:14:21 You see, it doesn’t work, because once you give someone the power to take freedom away, they can take anybody’s freedom away. And so now you lose it. So what we need, though, is a renaissance, a revival of faith and integrity. You know, people who walk by faith don’t have to take other freedoms away. Cause, you know, we may not agree, but people of faith know that God is going to intervene eventually and that the Kingdom of God is advancing.
0:14:48 Whether it looks like it or not, it is going to advance, and it’s going to prevail. And so we have that in by faith. But if you have no faith, then you’re like, I don’t know what to do. I don’t know where to turn to. And you lose your faith, you lose your integrity to where you realize, well, I’ve got to bully my way through. And we have a lot of bullying going on today, don’t we? A lot of times we hear about bullying in school as though it’s the worst thing that could happen. What about the bullying on the Internet? What about bullying on Facebook and TikTok and whatever, bullying people and taking their freedom of speech away? I heard about the other day, somebody said. They said something. And so I don’t know what. I don’t know which website or whatever it was, but they were taken down.
0:15:28 Somebody said, no, you can’t say that. And so what do we do with that? Who decides what freedoms of speech we have rather than just give us freedom of speech and come on, let’s live with it and let’s quit blaming everybody else for what we’ve done to ourselves. And so that people lose their freedom when they become victims because they’ve blamed somebody else. Somebody else can do this to you. You lost your freedom. If somebody else can do that to you, you have no freedom.
0:16:01 And so they blame. They want to say, poor me, my freedoms were taken away. They didn’t use the right pronouns. I don’t like it. They were toxic or whatever. People say, you know, today, and they said things and they influenced me, and I made wrong decisions because of them. It’s their fault. Well, okay, you may want to blame everybody, but you just gave your freedom away. That says you don’t. You don’t have the freedom to make your own decisions.
0:16:24 You did not make your own decisions. You are a victim of somebody else’s decisions. Right? Sometimes we. I’ve heard kids, they say, well, you know, you know, they made me go to church. My family went to church. They felt like they had to go to church. Nobody can make you go to church. What? Come on. And even people, you know, in real cults, a lot of times they call church cults. You know, they. And it’s not even doesn’t define a cult, really.
0:16:52 They just, anybody that’s got any authority and speaks with any mind at all is a cult leader almost today, because they want to do that to take freedoms away so people will lose their freedom to make up their own mind and say, oh, well, I better listen to this person who says they’re called rather than listen to what they’re saying. But there are some real cults out there, and some people apparently have trouble getting out of them, or do they?
0:17:14 Or they just get convinced to stay. But in most cases, you’re losing your freedom. When you blame somebody else, that means you did. You weren’t, you didn’t have the, you didn’t have the freedom to make up your own mind. Somebody made up your mind for you. You know, you can walk out of the church, you can walk out of the school, you can take your kids out of school, you can put them in private school, you can home school them.
0:17:36 If this private school is too expensive, go talk to them, see if there’s a way to leverage. Maybe you can get a scholarship or homeschool or do a home co-op as some people do. You don’t have to lose your freedom out in the name of freedom, right? So you’re going to lose your freedom as a parent because the school says we’re going to take your freedom away. Cause we know how to educate your kids better than you do.
0:17:57 Although they’re not educating them in education, they’re educating them in morality and ethics now and what to believe about people and judgments. Well, that’s your job as a parent. So you’re going to lose your freedom in order to give the freedom to the government, right? And so we need to have a revival of integrity, a revival of faith that you don’t worry constantly that somebody’s going to take and victimize you. Well, if you’re free, a free person can’t be victimized. Right? That’s why we want our freedom, and that’s why we have laws that help us keep our freedom. We should be able, as our law says. I don’t know whether you believe in gun control and take the guns. Some people say we’ll just take the guns away from everybody. What are you. Are you kidding me?
0:18:48 Is that going to whose freedom you’re giving gun owners? You’re taking their freedom away. Criminals will use a knife. Criminals will use the front of their car to run over people. It may not be as effective, it may not be as quick, but criminals are going to do crime. And besides that, if you studied history, you’d know criminals end up with guns anyway. Why? Because they’re criminals. So you take them away from honest people.
0:19:14 That’s the bad part. If taking away guns would solve the problem of shootings, okay, but it won’t. It won’t solve it. And all you’ve done is disarm honest people, and criminals don’t care. Right? In matter of fact, did you know there were laws in the 1920s and thirties that you couldn’t own police, FBI or whatever? Did they have FBI then they started anyway. Eliot Ness, you know, the untouchables, all that. But when it started, they couldn’t have what they used to call Tommy guns, which were machine guns, hand machine guns. They call you Tommy guns. And it was against the law to have one. Except all the criminals had them. And they couldn’t stop the criminals. Cause they go with their little handgun, maybe a shotgun, and try to fight against them. And there were machine guns. All the criminals had them, you know, so it didn’t help. So what did they do? They had to say, well, I guess we’re going to have to give our police or whoever the right to have a machine gun.
0:20:09 So they gave them the rights. Then they got Tommy guns. And now it was a equal fight, at least. And they. And it was won. It was won. It was actually won by courts and tax evasion against Al Capone. But still they began to win. So let’s watch that, huh? Let’s watch that. We need to be emancipated from cancel culture. We need to be emancipated to let the constitution read as it is and support the constitution.
0:20:35 Illegal immigrants are what? Illegal. It’s illegal to do what they’re doing. And so we lose our freedom because they’ve given the freedom to people to just walk across the borders and walk in by the thousands and thousands and thousands, and now we’re in the millions. Well, you may say, well, you know, our country’s built on immigration, and we. Okay, but let’s do it the right way. Cause if you do it the wrong way, I lose my freedom. You lose your freedom.
0:21:00 And now they’re here and they have no place to go. And so legitimate homeless people that need help are on the street, and illegal immigrants or immigrants are staying in 5 star, 4 star hotels. Well, golly, what about the hotel owners? You never think about that. Like, how do. I don’t even know how they survive. How do they stay open, you know? But anyway, so we need to be emancipated without fear and live in faith and have integrity so that we do not have to take a freedom away from people we disagree with or don’t understand to keep freedom for everybody. And so we need to be the country that says, let freedom ring, and in God we trust continue to be the United States of America.
0:21:46 So that’s my little speech today. I hope it rings with you true as we go forward and begin to pray for a revival of integrity and faith and the spirit of God which unifies all people. All right, till next time. Bye.