Everyone Did What Was Right In Their Own Eyes

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0:01:25 – (Steve Gray): Hello everyone, and welcome to another More Faith, More Life podcast I’m hosting with Zion. I’m Steve Gray and this is Zion Vieira. And we’re together after getting through all the holiday stuff and all the first of the year stuff and did you pay your taxes stuff and. Yeah, that was a surprise. Yeah. It always comes at a great time when Christmas. So anyway, but, so we’re back now and we want to talk today about what is truth.

0:01:54 – (Steve Gray): And it’s such an important thing because when Jesus went was before Pontius Pilate, he brought up that we brought that Everyone on the side of truth. Yeah. Listens to me. I like that because as we. We want, we want to get. We need a revival in our country, but we’ve got to decide what is truth. And apparently there is a side to truth. There’s people that are on the side of truth right now. Everybody thinks they’re on the side of truth. It’s like everybody you meet thinks they’re humble.

0:02:24 – (Steve Gray): You. Everybody thinks they’re humble and nobody thinks there could be a few people know they’re prideful, but, but, you know, most People think they’re fairly humble. And anyway, so there is a side to truth. And we get deceived into that, thinking our side is truth, but we’ve got to be if we’re going to be believers. I’m a believer, you’re a believer. And we speak mostly to believers on this podcast and talking about revival.

0:02:51 – (Steve Gray): And so then we have to decide, well, what is truth? So I want to back up from when Jesus was, well, Pilate then said, what is truth? Right. Jesus said, everybody’s on the side of truth. That’s with me. And that listens to me. And he said, well, what is truth? Duh, good question. And he doesn’t know. They don’t answer it. He just walks out to the people. Doesn’t get answered. But to back up then even farther from that to the Book of Judges, there’s the very last part of the Book of Judges.

0:03:22 – (Steve Gray): If you go to the end of the Book of Judges, you’re going to see whatever translation you use similar to this. Like in those days, there was no king. Everyone did what was right in their own eyes. See, that means there’s no truth. There’s no. Agreed. Yeah.

0:03:38 – (Zion Vierra): There’s no truth established.

0:03:39 – (Steve Gray): Yeah. So everybody’s truth is their own truth. Whatever feels truthful or right to them is what they do. And I think we have that big, big problem. Well, it depends on if you and I want to talk about the problem in the world worldly system. But I get that, you know, I get. I mean, I get politicians that I don’t agree with, but I want them to be able to think what their truth is. I don’t want to dictate it to them.

0:04:06 – (Steve Gray): But when you come to the church, that’s a whole other world because truth has already been dictated to us and it’s coming out to us. And he says, if you’ll listen to me, you’ll get truth. Or he says, if the spirit of truth, he said, I will guide you into all truth. It will guide you into all truth. So there’s really no excuse for believers to not know, say, what is truth? I get Pontius Pilate. But everyone did what was right in their own eyes. Well, it led to big, big trouble.

0:04:37 – (Steve Gray): And what I explained the other day to someone what had happened was when they all did what was right in their own eyes, they lost Agreed truth. There was. They couldn’t agree because everybody just did what was. And. And the king, actually, in that day, God wanted to be their king. You can read other scriptures. They said he wanted to be their king. And after that, they, that’s when they decided they wanted to have a king. And they got King Saul, which. That went south.

0:05:03 – (Steve Gray): And then they get King David. Almost went south, but because of his good heart. Yeah. But anyway, and so when, when they did that, so what happened was they, the people of God lost the ability to restrain enemies and restrain evil. Right. And so in it came and they got captured. It was just a bad, bad deal. And so that’s why it’s important for the church today to realize the weakness we have is we as Christians, we, we have a few things we agree on. Sure. But then we have a ton of stuff that we don’t. There’s no agreed truth.

0:05:43 – (Steve Gray): That’s why, you know, if we just take off from my house and go this way, then we go that way, this way. We’ll go by that church, we’ll go by another church, we’ll go by our church. Yeah. We turn left. We’re going to go buy two church, two more churches, and we haven’t gone but a couple miles.

0:05:57 – (Zion Vierra): Yeah.

0:05:58 – (Steve Gray): And so you could go to any of those and you don’t know what you’re going to get. And you’re not going to agree on things. Some of them you’re going to use hymnals, some have a band, some, you know, have drums, some don’t have drums. And that’s, that’s surface, though. That’s little. But then there’s no agreed truth of what is our level of commitment here. How committed do I have? What’s the cost? What’s the commitment?

0:06:22 – (Steve Gray): How much do I have? How much do I give? How much do I get to keep? How much truth do I have to go with? And how much do I get to interpret for myself? Right. And that’s, that’s the battle. And, and so you go in and who was it? Maybe was. Maybe you were talking to me or someone the other day was talking to me about infant baptism. I can’t remember. They were talking to the Lutherans and this and that. And they do. They baptize infants.

0:06:49 – (Steve Gray): And the person was amazed that our church doesn’t baptize infants. And the reason they do it, the Catholics did that. They baptize infants where Weed. She said, oh, yeah, I remember who it was now. And they said, well, we dedicate our kids to the Lord. Okay, there’s that level of commitment. But others, they baptize them with no commitment. It’s. If you baptize them, then if anything happens to them, they get sick and die or whatever.

0:07:16 – (Steve Gray): They’re going to go to heaven because they’ve been baptized. So you coughing up a little bit here?

0:07:22 – (Zion Vierra): It’s just getting me emotional.

0:07:26 – (Steve Gray): Keep it up, you’ll be fired. Yeah. And so it’s no commitment. You’re baptized with no commitment. And it. And then they’re agreed truth. Now they’re covered if anything happens. But scripturally, did you know, you probably know this, but scripturally, kids don’t have to be covered like that in baptism because the Bible says if they have one believing parent, they’re sanctified by the parent.

0:07:53 – (Zion Vierra): I actually didn’t know that.

0:07:54 – (Steve Gray): Yeah, they’re sanctified. But even if it’s just one right now, this could be something like, well, what if they have no believing parents? Then will baptize. Baptize them to get them safe? I don’t know about that part, but. But anyway. But there’s no agreed truth on that. And, you know, some. And then I grew up with the church, since I’m just bringing this example where they would baptize babies or if they baptize even people, they just dip their hand in water and put it on your head. Sure. And then the other is they, you got to actually get in a tank or get in the lake or whatever.

0:08:26 – (Steve Gray): It’s not that hard because the Bible agrees with itself. And I was talking to a fellow the other day and explained this to him because I’ve heard it said, you know, you can make the Bible say whatever you want to. And that’s true if you’re a person that grabs a scripture here and here. In other words, what people do is they get an idea first. They get a truth. It’s truth to them. Then they go to this Bible and pull out scripture to support their truth.

0:08:54 – (Steve Gray): But if you’re going to support God’s truth, you have to do it in context and you have to know your history. And my. One of my favorite references is, well, in the first century, when Jesus said that to all Jewish people or all new believers, the Jews who became what we call Christians now, what did they think it meant? You know, like, we think we know what it means to us. And so we, we. We get truth out. But if you go back and study history, you go like, they were like, for instance, it’s a total Jewish audience.

0:09:26 – (Steve Gray): Well, they’re going to think in 2,000 years worth of Jewishness. Sure. Yeah. Just like we do. We think of 250 years almost now of Americanism. You know, we think in that realm. And so the problem is we The. In my opinion, the reason we have so many churches all over everywhere is because we have no agreed truth. Every church does what is right in their own eyes. And a church. We have church splits.

0:09:54 – (Steve Gray): And that’s because they couldn’t agree. Yeah, they couldn’t agree on something, whatever. A doctrine, an idea how you’re supposed to do it, what kind of music you sing, or. I had a church close to us that split over two. They split over the color of the carpet. They couldn’t decide on the color of the carpet. And they split over the carpet. And there was another one that was really weird. They got in the argument over trash cans.

0:10:19 – (Steve Gray): Like where and what and how. Where does the track. Well, so this sacred place. We can’t have a trash can here. Well, where are we supposed to put our trash? You know? And they split over that. That’s been some years ago, but. Weird, huh? The. The interesting thing about it is you very. Surely there is somewhere. I’ve never heard of a Catholic church split. I’m sure they have. They’ve had splits. I’m sure.

0:10:44 – (Steve Gray): Yeah.

0:10:44 – (Steve Gray): But in my hometown, where I grew up, a town of 20,000, most of where I grew up, 20,000 people. Okay, about. Or 25,000 whatever it is, maybe 30,000. But anyway, they had two Catholic churches, one for the east side, one for the west side. And if you lived on the west side, you went to that one. If you were on the east side, you go to this one. I guess you could switch if you wanted to. They never split. Each one did the same thing every Sunday.

0:11:12 – (Steve Gray): No matter if you went to this one, you went to that one, you’re going to do the same thing. Maybe the sermon would be different or the talk would be different, but they all agree and they kneel and they stand up and they do the cross and they have the same thing on the wall. And so, okay, even if you don’t agree with their truth, look at what they’ve had for so many years as agreed truth. Where now we have all these denominations of that and you got it.

0:11:40 – (Steve Gray): We were just talking earlier about a new couple. Couple new couples that just joined our church got involved just this Sunday. Yesterday. On Sunday. This is not Monday. I know.

0:11:52 – (Zion Vierra): It all runs together.

0:11:53 – (Steve Gray): I need to know what day it is. The last Sunday, though, and they were church shopping. Well, if you’re a Catholic, and I’m not promoting the Catholic Church, I’m promoting agreement.

0:12:06 – (Zion Vierra): That’s not even a thing.

0:12:07 – (Steve Gray): Truth. Yeah, like you don’t have to church shop for the Catholic Church if you got one near your house. You just go there because it’s Catholic. But they’re church shopping. You know why? Because you never know what you’re going to get. It’s like a box of chocolates, right? You never know. You never know what you’re going to get. And they came back with some pretty strange stories of some stuff they saw and heard.

0:12:29 – (Steve Gray): And you have a lot of splits too. Like people will. Then all of a sudden they have a home church and say. They said, well, we have a. It’s a home church now because early church met in homes. And. And so we’re going to do it differently. We’re going to do it homey. And then the next thing you know, they’re exactly the same way, doing church the same way. And the next thing you know, they’ve outgrown their home and now they’re looking for a building.

0:12:53 – (Steve Gray): And they. In Israel, that was that way. They met in a lot of churches. Well, they call them congregations. They. They met in homes every single. And I went to a lot of them 10 home and. And others that did have buildings. Lots of places all over the country I went and ministered and. But the ones that were in homes every single. Pray for us. We need a building. Pray for us. We’re looking at this building, we’re looking at that. Yeah.

0:13:16 – (Steve Gray): And so it’s just natural. And the early church too. Why did they meet in homes too? Because they didn’t at first. At first they met in the temple or synagogue and they were accepted. And then things changed and they started meeting and so the only place they had to meet at the time was that. But eventually they got buildings, you know, so, you know, it’s just irrelevant. But we can’t even agree on that. Sure.

0:13:40 – (Zion Vierra): Yeah.

0:13:40 – (Steve Gray): Should it be a home? Should it be on the beach? You know, is it okay to have the four walls? Well, we got to get out of the four walls all the stuff that people do that they all have their little tiny truths. Oh, I’ll just keep talking. But I had. I had a friend who was a seventh day Adventist. You know, seventh day, you meet on the seventh day. I get it. The early. The Hebrews, the Jewish Hebrews, they. They’re Saturday people.

0:14:07 – (Steve Gray): And so, you know, there’s some strength there. Okay. But then our church ended up, through various reasons to meet on Sunday. I don’t know if God’s upset about that or not. I doubt it. But when I got with my seventh Advent friend, that’s the only truth every. He always brought that up. Isn’t there something more to this than the day we meet. But it was like the. Every time he always brought it up that. That’s, you know, interesting. Yeah.

0:14:34 – (Steve Gray): I met another guy. Let’s see. He. Oh, women preachers. Women preachers that he always brings up. They shouldn’t be in the pulpit. We shouldn’t have women preachers. Okay. We don’t have to agree on that. If you. But is there. Let’s go on beyond that and what’s being said and you know, so this is going to be our weakness in the future. That’s why we need revival. I said, I called it the voice revival because this is what I saw in the Smith and outpouring.

0:15:05 – (Steve Gray): We had people from all over the world come languages. Some of them. Some of them hardly could speak English. But they came from, you know, and I. You can imagine being in a town of 532 people. This church. If a busload of people from Korea comes, everybody’s going to know. But they didn’t tell us they were coming. They’d fly in to Kansas City, hire a bus and drive out two hours, an hour and a half to our church.

0:15:31 – (Steve Gray): I don’t know who they are. I don’t know their background or they come from Japan or they come from Europe or the Anglican Church. People came from the Anglican Church. Catholics came. And when they got there, though, something amazing happened. None of the. None of the disagreements made. We all agreed. This is God. We need this. We need his presence. The presence of God is melting all my fears. It’s melting all my disagreements. It’s melting. Things that like, I’m going like, does it really matter as long as he’s the focus. We need you. And so it was established truth. We had. Yeah, we had.

0:16:07 – (Steve Gray): We had the presence and glory of God. And it’s all about him. It’s not about you. Yeah, it’s not about you anymore. And it was easy. People got it. I didn’t even have to. I didn’t even have to push that. Right. We pushed other truths, you know, in scripture and preached. And then when it happened again in 2008 and we were on in 200 countries, you know, live every week for three years. 200 countries.

0:16:32 – (Steve Gray): How did we do that and get agreement, you know, but. But we would get thousands of phone calls. Thousands of phone calls. People would call in asking for prayer, expressing their love or sending prayer requests or whatever. You. I felt no disagreement on those kind of. In those people right now then the old disagreement, like some of the preachers that were watching or some of the Big, Sure. Denominational leaders would get in and go. Like, I did get one complaint from a very famous person. They called in a complaint, says, we gotta stop this guy. Why? He’s preaching everything we do against. He’s preaching against. He said he’s preaching. And this is a famous. He’s preaching against everything we do.

0:17:16 – (Steve Gray): And so, okay, we didn’t have an agreed truth there, but the masses, the presence, a reviving presence of God, a renaissance, a renewal of what’s important. Who’s the center of attention? What does it mean to walk by the spirit? Okay, there’s some areas there we need to grow in and decide, but the focus is not us anymore. Not about my hurts. It’s not about my feelings. It’s not even about what I want.

0:17:45 – (Steve Gray): It’s about him. It’s about Jesus, and he’s the center. And out of him, then he says, if you’ll listen to me, you’ll get truth. My sheep know my voice, and the spirit of truth will come. And all of a sudden we can have agreed truth and the things. Okay, I don’t really think we’re going to need to argue whether it’s Saturday or Sunday. Let’s just make sure we’re going. Yeah, you know, I don’t. But that’s just me.

0:18:09 – (Steve Gray): But. So let’s get on with why I’m saying all this. Because since we don’t have agreed truth, what happened in the Book of Judges at the end and well after Judges was because they didn’t have. And they did what was right in their own eyes. They didn’t have an agreed truth. They didn’t have the power of God and the presence of God or the power of prayer even to be able to pray. Lord, help us. Save us from our enemies, you know, as we pray, you know, thy kingdom come, thy will, you know, deliver us from evil, deliver us from the evil one.

0:18:43 – (Steve Gray): We can say that, but we don’t have the power, because everybody’s saying that, but we’re not agreed what that is. We don’t even agree what evil is. What’s evil? Deliver us from evil. What’s evil? You know, what is truth? And so, man. Yeah, so what the problem is in our country right now, and it’s the world, but especially the United States right now, is we have a group of people that are anti Jew, they’re anti-Christian, they’re anti-family, they’re anti education in the way that you would want to educate your children.

0:19:15 – (Steve Gray): Anti-family, anti-Jew, anti-Christian, anti-church. And they have an agreed truth. They’ve got an agenda, they’re in agreement. You watch it. Somebody comes up and starts talking about how we need to educate our kids today and we’ve gone the wrong way or whatever and they started reforming education and they say, we don’t want our children to learn. This group together rises up as one voice and they all attack that truth or that we believe is truth. How you should.

0:19:46 – (Steve Gray): Parents should have a say in raising their kids, not the state. But they all rise up, they have an agreed truth. And just take any subject, any political subject, you know, anything, everything that’s going on in the world today. Money or tariffs or, you know, and it doesn’t matter. They’ve agreed to be against another group. They’re in agreement. They don’t think of truth. They think of we don’t like them and that’s the truth and we don’t want them.

0:20:16 – (Steve Gray): So they have so the power of agreement. You know, the Bible teaches us if two of you moral agree, you know, you can have whatever and all that and the power of agreement. Can two walk together? Unless they’re in agreement or really says, unless they agree to walk together. I can’t get pastors in our own town to much want to talk to me, you know. You know, we could invite them to a Wednesday night prayer service or whatever, Friday night say, oh, it is so good. We’re not trying to take away from them, we’re not trying to bring up stuff that we do better than they.

0:20:49 – (Steve Gray): Let’s just get together and pray with us. We can have such a great time together. You bring some people in, we’ll bring some people in. The interest level sometimes comes a little bit like that, but it dies away, just not interested, you know. And some of the books I’ve written, you get people that, you know, read them. Like one of my books has been printed in eight languages. But I bet I could go give it to a pastor in town. Now. This is not all of them.

0:21:14 – (Steve Gray): I got a few friends, but just generally I could go give them a book for free or our new book on Gideon, you know, which is a great book. It’s great for pastors. There’s so many great secrets or mysteries that you don’t realize. If you follow the pattern of most churches, you don’t realize there’s a lot of truth in it goes way back. Historical history too. It’s a great book. And we did it on purpose that way. But J.D. king and I. But I would, I’ve tried to. And it’s just no interest.

0:21:46 – (Steve Gray): They’re not going to read it.

0:21:47 – (Zion Vierra): Right.

0:21:48 – (Steve Gray): It’s just if they’re just not, they might read, read it from somebody from their camp or denomination. But sure, they’re just not interested. And I can tell them how, how much it’ll help them. And so, so I predict I won’t prophesy, sure. But I predict one of the weakest things that’s going to happen to us is we are being approached by a revolutionary thought of thinking of agreement. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have. I’m not saying we’d like to shut you down. You’re not bad people.

0:22:23 – (Steve Gray): I want you to have the freedom of being a citizen of the United States and deciding this is what we think is true, this is what we want to do. But when it’s anti-people and it’s anti-Jew and it’s anti-Christian and it’s anti church, hey, this is not the first time that that’s risen up in history. And it’s not good stuff. But our churches, we have no agreement. We don’t even know if they’re right or wrong.

0:22:52 – (Steve Gray): We don’t know what to think. We don’t know as they come up, as we’ve been discussing of the idea of income equality, now when you tell me that they want to do income equality, I go like, that’s not good. That’s not the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is we all get to reap what we sow. We sow. We don’t want it for free. We sow and we reap and we reap the benefits of our sowing. That’s the kingdom of God.

0:23:21 – (Steve Gray): Not just take from everybody and we’ll split it equally or whatever. And so, and so I don’t think it’s going to work. But that’s part of this new movement. And I think so many Christians have no idea what to think of it. And it, it sounds good, too.

0:23:36 – (Zion Vierra): Sounds good.

0:23:37 – (Steve Gray): Yeah.

0:23:37 – (Zion Vierra): It sounds like it’s fair. Yeah.

0:23:39 – (Steve Gray): Equal.

0:23:40 – (Zion Vierra): Right.

0:23:40 – (Steve Gray): It’s going to help people. Yeah.

0:23:41 – (Zion Vierra): It’s conniving though.

0:23:42 – (Steve Gray): Yeah. And if you, but if you take it for what it is, historically it didn’t. It never worked anywhere. And somebody rose up to manage it anyway and became the tyrant or the boss anyway and decided who gets what. And if you get to own your house or you don’t get to own your house, the confiscated property, and then the people who were in control of it got rich and the people, then the rest of the people got poor, poorer.

0:24:06 – (Steve Gray): So, you know, it’s not a good. It’s not good. I can see right through it because I’m comparing it not to a political party. It’s not political to me. It’s spiritual. It’s a. It’s a spirit. It’s a spirit of rebellion. It’s a spirit of what appears to be fair and equal that does not exist in the heart of mankind. Only way you can be fair and equal is by the spirit of God. Really, where people get to give generously out the want to.

0:24:36 – (Steve Gray): I choose to give because God’s changed my heart. Not. I choose to give because the government now tells me I have to. Right. And that’s the direction many people even want to go. Right. Even people who have a lot of money want to go that way. I’m thinking, what are you thinking? And so. So I haven’t. I have a new book we’re working on that’s even going to hit better. Nice. And it’ll be out soon, but.

0:25:01 – (Steve Gray): And we’re going to publish it ourselves because I don’t think anybody else will publish it. I don’t think they’ll read.

0:25:07 – (Zion Vierra): To give God to a call.

0:25:08 – (Steve Gray): Yeah. And what I want people to know is in the. There’s a book called Esther, Great, great story. And Esther is a Jewish. And we’ll end on this is a Jewish, beautiful Jewish young girl. And she somehow makes it way into the king’s court and high up. She’s highly favored. She’s beautiful, all that kind of stuff. But she’s Jewish. I don’t think she said she was Jewish. My studies say she didn’t come in and say, hey, I’m a beautiful Jewish woman.

0:25:34 – (Steve Gray): She just was beautiful. And the king liked her and she was in the king’s court. And so that’s that. Well, she’s got what, the Bible. Some of the Bibles say uncle or yeah, uncle, but he’s more of a cousin. But that’s okay. They’re related and his name is Mordecai. And all of a sudden they want. Just like now, the country became anti Jew. Not necessarily the palace. The king wasn’t involved. But people were powerful people.

0:26:00 – (Steve Gray): They became anti Jew, anti-Jew. And they decided they’re going to annihilate him. They start building gallows to hang them and kill him. And so this is all going on out here and she’s in the castle or the castle of the palace, and she’s got everything provided for her. In our case, it’d be like, I got a great home. I’ve got retirement. I’m making a good reason to worry. I have a good enough job and we get to vote, and so there’s no reason to worry.

0:26:27 – (Steve Gray): And if I was a millionaire or a billionaire, I’d really feel like I was insulated. I’m safe. I’m the one that makes policies, I’m the one that helps people. I’m the one they ask opinions of. You know, I’m the, I’m so rich and famous or powerful or a CEO or something like that. So they feel insulated. And so she felt that way. Like, what’s this to me? Like I’m safe here. They’re not going to come. Mordecai comes in and says, ah.

0:26:54 – (Steve Gray): Do you think, Esther, that you will escape because you’re Jewish? It’s going to be a law. Do you think you’re going to escape more than anybody else because you’re in this palace? Don’t you understand? They’re going to find out who you are, the law will be passed and they’re going to come and grab you too. And he said, here’s what’s going to happen. If you don’t do something because you’re in a position to speak, you and your family will perish.

0:27:24 – (Steve Gray): That’s it, that you’re not going to escape. Well, she does step in, turns it around. She’s very smart, very clever, and she’s got some influence and she turns it around and saves the Jews, saves the day. And the bad guys, they end up being hung on the gallows. But, but the, the thing that gets me so much that I won’t say bothers me, but eats at me is do you think you’re, you’re got everything together, your middle class, your upper class, your fair, you know, you’re doing fair, you got a job, you’re doing okay, or you got a lot of money, you’re a movie star, you’re affluent, you’re. You got 300,000 followers and you know you’re making a lot of money off the Internet, whatever.

0:28:05 – (Steve Gray): Do you think you’re going to escape when they come and say, we need your money? We’re going to take. We need your money because we want to, we want it to be equal. And I’m not making it up. Equal income is not made. I’m not making that up. That’s in their agreed truth. And it moves from individualism, which is how they got wealthy. They got millions. I don’t have millions. You’re an individual, I’m an individual. You got it? I ain’t got it.

0:28:35 – (Steve Gray): That’s how the world works—capitalism works. And you work hard and you get what you can and use your talents and change that for collectivism. And you know what collectivism like, you know what a collection agency is, they come and collect for the warmth of collectivism is that. I mean, this is an agreed truth already in our country. And so we’re going to go and collect and spread it around. We’re going to warm ourselves up by collecting and sharing and making it fair for everybody.

0:29:07 – (Steve Gray): I don’t know, I’m just not comfortable with them coming and getting my income. And I don’t have what I don’t have the income a lot of other people have. Think if you got billions or millions and if you work hard to get it and you’re employing a lot of people, you know, now they’re going to just. But it sounds good, it almost sounds Christian. Right? But it’s not. Sowing and reaping is Christian. If you don’t work, you don’t eat is Christian.

0:29:30 – (Steve Gray): And fair trade. Work hard and you get to choose if you want to give it to somebody. If you want to give your house to somebody, you get to choose. Right. But you don’t get it confiscated. So that’s my thing. The trouble with the church, it’s worse. Yeah. Does everybody in the world do what is right in their own eyes? Sort of. But they also have dictators and leaders. Well, they weren’t dictators. They didn’t seem like dictators.

0:29:56 – (Steve Gray): But like Hitler came along and what did he do? He presented a socialism. It was not it’s socialism. He presented a truth and the nation agreed upon it. Not every single, but almost, almost all of them agreed upon it. They had an agreed truth. And there you go. So we have that. Then we go to the church and we can’t agree on anything. We’re angry. We don’t talk to each other, we don’t work together. We can’t agree what it means to be spiritual.

0:30:23 – (Steve Gray): We can’t agree what it means to worship. We can’t agree on anything. So it’s the lack of agreement. We don’t have the power to turn back the evil that is anti-Jew, anti-Christian, anti-church and anti-family. And if you don’t agree, you’re not. And you don’t, you don’t think you’re, you know, you don’t agree with that. You say, well, I, I don’t, I don’t like anti Jew, I don’t like anti-family. You know, that’s my, I get to have that opinion.

0:30:46 – (Steve Gray): And so, and I think that’s a truth. I don’t think that’s the Bible at all. You know, you can’t be anti-Jew and carry a Bible. Really? Sure. Yeah. Not really. So anyway, that’s my speech today that my concern for the country as we go into this new year stuff is that we have a movement coming that is agreed. They have an agreed thing. Then we’ve got other good people. Maybe they’re conservatives, maybe they’re Christians, maybe they’re churchgoers, whatever, pastors, leaders, whatever that can’t agree on anything hardly.

0:31:18 – (Steve Gray): That’s why we can’t have church together like the Catholics. They get to get. You know, if we did, imagine if we had one church in Kansas City. The power of that, the size of it, the massive power on our communities and on our government and on our families because we are one in the spirit. But we can’t. We got to have churches. Churches start every week, you know, some new church. Because we can’t agree on truth. Anyway, that’s my speech.

0:31:48 – (Steve Gray): So I think we’re the ones are doing everything what’s right in our own eyes as individuals. And they’re. And that’s how they’re going to win. They’re going to get an agreed truth and come against individualism because we can’t agree on anything. So that’s my speech.

0:32:03 – (Zion Vierra): Yeah.

0:32:04 – (Steve Gray): Eager for this new book. Go to https://stevegrayministries.com and you can get other stuff like you mentioned in another book that shook some people up called My Absurd Religion. Kathy, you know, my wife Kathy, she said you shouldn’t have titled it that because immediately they wonder what is this? You know, or maybe I don’t want to read it.

0:32:20 – (Zion Vierra): I love the title of it.

0:32:21 – (Steve Gray): I did it on purpose. But I also included says by which I make my living. Right. I think it’s awesome because it said that’s the subtitle. So it says I’m still in but I want to tell you why I understand you’re not.

0:32:31 – (Zion Vierra): Yeah, that’s good.

0:32:31 – (Steve Gray): So there’s books, there’s a good stuff. So go there. It might be a good time to start thinking about supporting a ministry like this in this time. If you think everybody’s saying what I just told you, then just give your money everywhere. But if you’re seeing that this is something that is important that people hear that you’re not hearing a lot of, then you might consider supporting us, telling your friends to watch us and we’ll move this along and see what happens this year. It’s going to be an interesting year. All right. Till next time, bye-bye.